The first time a poz guy disclosed to me before sex, I fucked up. It took me by surprise, and I felt too much emotion to go ahead with sex; I thought it would be easier for him if I was a bastard about it, and so I was hateful to him, and hated myself afterward. I was twenty two years old. I've come a long way since then, but I'm still taken aback when a poz guy discloses before casual sex; it's the same rush of emotion, like sipping from an open fire hydrant, and it's hard to put that out of my mind and fuck afterwards. But it also dials the trust and intimacy up to eleven, and I'd be lying if I said that doesn't scare me, but it does make for good sex.
In my article Solutions to Stigma in the current edition of HIV Australia, I talk about the slow learning process HIV-negative men undertake to overcome HIV stigma and build confidence in their ability to use condoms to protect themselves. My background is in cultural studies but I sometimes get frustrated with social theories' focus on the problem to the exclusion of ideas about solutions; the risk is that HIV stigma looks obvious, natural, and inevitable, when experience tells us that some men overcome it. There's an interest body of work called behavioural economics, bridging neuropsychology and the dismal science, about the way the human brain assesses risk, and the relative persuasiveness of different kinds of framing. There's a subset called prospect theory, which garnered its authors the Nobel Prize in Economics, and I think it shows some promise as a basis for crafting responses to HIV stigma.
Rather than quoting research about the low risk of HIV transmission when condoms are used, this approach suggests we'd do better to think about how people learn, the role of emotion in their thought processes, and ways of framing the issue. Instead of saying "your emotional response to HIV risk is invalid because rationally and objectively the risk is much lower than you think", why don't we say, "one day you will meet the man of your dreams, and there's a 1/10 chance he'll be HIV-positive: with your current attitude, you would miss out on the relationship of a lifetime"?
With that message, you're tapping into some equally powerful emotions - the desire we all have to meet the guy who completes us, and our frustration about how long it takes - but this time, they're weighing on your side. You can bet he'll dismiss that question upfront, but you're planting the seed for later reflection on what he might lose through his stigmatising attitudes. At that point the smart educator will change the subject and leave him to ponder that thought, because defensiveness is the enemy of learning, whether it comes from being challenged, scorned or simply feeling ashamed.
I like this piece for the smart strategies it promotes, but I also particularly like it as a critical and self-aware HIV-negative viewpoint. And what I would really like to be seeing in the stigma discourse is dozens and dozens of thoughtful and varied HIV-negative perspectives. I think it's neg guys not poz guys who should be leading the charge to try and understand and dismantle stigma over time.
Daniel, this only works if you're talking about dating. I'm actually much more interested in hooking up. And it also presumes a "man of your life," which is a kind of romantic discourse I'm not going to get behind.
But if I take your larger point correctly, what you're saying is that we can't rely on rationality to do the work we're expecting it to when it comes to sex. And I think you're right about this. But we need to be careful about the kinds of alternative narratives we propose, whether they be romantic or otherwise. I know you know that. I'm just saying it for saying it's sake.
I've posited a temporal structure of learning in which attitude change occurs in the mid to long term, and it actually helps to match the content of the message to that longer timeframe, and the lower immediacy also lowers the likelihood of reactance. You don't have to use romantic narrative; you can do this using rugged sexual individualism or community political consciousness as well, as long as the focus is on personal readiness, ie. confidence and skills.
>"Give neg men time and space to learn"
Time, because nearly 30 years and 10s of thousands of dead have not yet left an impression.
"The first time a poz guy disclosed to me before sex, I fucked up. It took me by surprise, and I felt too much emotion to go ahead with sex; I thought it would be easier for him if I was a bastard about it, and so I was hateful to him, and hated myself afterward."
I would be very interested in how you feel you 'fucked up" and how you were "hateful" to him. Were you abusive once you found out he was poz? Did you call him names, deliberately try to make him feel like a pariah? Did you say you were going to the bathroom and slip out the window? Or did you just feel guilty for backing out of the deal, worrying more about his feelings? Seriously, I'm very curious about this. I just don't think anyone should feel guilty for leaving a situation in which they don't feel comfortable. Sure, feelings can be hurt, but...if you're not feeling at ease, apologize and leave. It doesn't have to be mean-spirited. I have never felt obligated to have sex with someone just to spare their feelings. In a way, that's kind of victimizing.
the first time I was with a POZ guy he disclosed to me afterwards, after I let him fuck me. He used two condoms which I thought was strange, and after he told me, I was like - duh....obviously he was not well educated because two is not better than one.
I survived the 90s, I was there, until I could not be there anymore and I hide myself away...
For me there are two issue - lack of trust and the feeling of betrayal from the first experience of having the choice taken away from me (to be with a poz guy or not) and self-preservation. As an HIV negative man I will not have oral or anal sex with a POZ man. I will J/O and that’s about it, and that is rare. I love many POZ men, and I in no way shape of form blame them for their having HIV, it could have been me, easily, but it wasn’t, at least not this far. I believe in sero sorting and I HATE CONDOMS – I do not care if you can put the damn thing over your head, I don’t care if they are thin, I cant stay hard in one and I can never have an orgasm while wearing one. So, up until recently I used my own risk reduction strategy (as most gay men do). So far it has worked – but you know what? Hook-ups seem to no longer be worth the risk, the “fun” has gone and sex no longer feels like “play”. Not because of STDs or HIV, (yes in part) but mostly because as I find my true self, as I feel a real part of the world at large, and realize I am just like everyone else in my center/heart/soul (gay or str8) I find that the connection during sex for sex (play) is not just enough. I can jerk off and have sex with myself and have safe fun, sex with another person is, for me, now about a real person to person connection. I guess I am becoming a gay sex conservative – after being far from such in both words and descriptions. Sex for sex’s sake is increasingly uncomfortable and sad and seems closer to the side of emotional illness rather than emotional health.
So, politically correct or not, I will not have ‘sex’ with a POZ guy, not because of any person, but because of the virus. Honestly, I am not having sex at all these days, I am no longer interested in the sex for sex sake efforts – oh, and porn has just about destroyed my fantasy life – I am slowly letting go of that as well (porn). Just like the advertisers in the world have created the ideal gay man, porn creates the ideal sexual experience, without the awkwardness, messiness, and realness of what gay sex is like.
So there is my rant – confession – truth.
Love to all my POZ friends...